tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post3805165085877129758..comments2024-03-27T21:23:40.339-04:00Comments on Chemjobber: A very passionate letterChemjobberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15932113680515602275noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-25049148885430531472020-05-18T15:02:33.272-04:002020-05-18T15:02:33.272-04:00Now that my postdoc advisor has passed on, I can s...Now that my postdoc advisor has passed on, I can say that my annual salary at Colorado State University was $28,000. It was nonnegotiable, and I never received a raise. That, and I had to pay $600+ monthly insurance premiums out of pocket. No retirement contribution was possible or matched.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12082773559846432073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-56795823649988381522018-09-18T15:56:59.853-04:002018-09-18T15:56:59.853-04:00I'm glad you were able to get that off your ch...I'm glad you were able to get that off your chest in the pages of the august Chemical and Engineering News, and on this humble weblog as well. Good day, sir. Chemjobberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15932113680515602275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-40245648667786735362018-09-17T15:36:26.879-04:002018-09-17T15:36:26.879-04:00To those of you who trolled my perspective under t...To those of you who trolled my perspective under the guise of anonymity, chew on some data: https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/search?program=top-science-schools&specialty=organic-science. I was just sharing my perspective. I'm quite happy being a big fish in a small pond. I pursue publishable research with undergraduate students, giving them the experience they'll need to go to the top graduate programs in my field. My teaching and efforts here are well recognized. I am a good father and a good husband, and that's all that matters to those people I care most about. Steve Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07803719337451314816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-39126031070443290832017-03-22T19:53:06.208-04:002017-03-22T19:53:06.208-04:00Out of touch arrogance.Out of touch arrogance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-88468198861627802822017-03-22T08:08:52.000-04:002017-03-22T08:08:52.000-04:00How entitled! The nerve of postdocs wanting to be ...How entitled! The nerve of postdocs wanting to be able to afford food and a roof over their head. They should be happy with the scraps of the seminar cart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-24445456891585246062017-03-21T16:54:39.144-04:002017-03-21T16:54:39.144-04:00To be fair, no one called the guy a snob. The term...To be fair, no one called the guy a snob. The term was used twice in the thread; one person apologized for the academic snobbery of their comment, and I said that snobbery was warranted by the letter. I didn't take down his accomplishments, but wanted to shine a light on his statement that post docs are paid astronomically higher salaries, which is more than likely false, and also frustrating in light of how pathetically low post doc salaries actually are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-10199596897539549162017-03-21T14:32:08.127-04:002017-03-21T14:32:08.127-04:00I think what he perceives as entitlement for postd...I think what he perceives as entitlement for postdocs is what postdocs (and other science people) have been told since the beginning of time: study and work hard and you can find useful work to do. The problem is that that no longer seems to be true - it seems to be untrue in lots of parts of the economy, for lots of people (a lot in worse shape than us). When the promises made no longer are true, and yet they keep being made, then why would one expect people not to be frustrated? <br /><br />I also wonder if there's not some convenient ignorance here - if you're not aware that the promises aren't true, but keep making them, you get relatively cheap labor, while if you realize that the promises of hope can no longer be made, you either have to accept being a liar or not make them and find other ways to recruit people to work with you, either by money or by expanding opportunities so that the promises might be true. The latter actions are hard, or maybe not possible, and more money appears not to be showing up - hence, guess what happens.Hapnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-28537518014920858562017-03-21T13:39:24.196-04:002017-03-21T13:39:24.196-04:00If you dish asinine comments, you should be able t...If you dish asinine comments, you should be able to take them or not look like a total hypocrite.<br /><br />There's nothing wrong with the tier of university he is at, that his pub record is only ok, and that he went to a good but not top top tier schools for PhD and postdoc. Just that he shouldn't make comments that are a) incorrect and b) talk the talk about achievement and so on. If he had kept his mouth shut, or been less of an ass, people wouldn't be tearing into him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-48968823718967412682017-03-21T13:10:17.713-04:002017-03-21T13:10:17.713-04:00I don't really have an issue with places like ...I don't really have an issue with places like Utah Valley University existing, especially since it is a PUI and not trying to be a research university. Chemistry departments exist at regional public PUIs to educate undergraduate students and that's fine. The type of university he is at does make him an odd messenger for the tough talk, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-57060885137318729132017-03-21T12:38:59.491-04:002017-03-21T12:38:59.491-04:00Well, this has touched quite the nerve. And rightf...Well, this has touched quite the nerve. And rightfully so because it's clear Stephen doesn't have a good pulse on what's going on outside his bubble.<br /><br />But boy, are the comments here just as bad as his original letter. People call him snobby and hypocritical, then proceed to point out why everything he's achieved is shit and that his pedigree isn't even that impressive. This is the type of internet mob that goes and writes threatening letters to Erick Carreira over a letter that's more than 10 years old for which they have no context.<br /><br />Be upset with Stephen. Be compassionate to other chemists who haven't had it as good as him. Don't go calling him a snob and then proceed to take down his accomplishments point by point while you also call him a hypocrite, you fucking hypocrites.Bendernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-53413704553639695282017-03-21T11:04:11.626-04:002017-03-21T11:04:11.626-04:00Fair point. Doing worthwhile things does not guar...Fair point. Doing worthwhile things does not guarantee you anything. I have seen hiring managers at Chevron say make stupid comments like I went with person A, PhD instead of B, PhD because B seemed like they wanted to go climb higher in the company, or "We just look for people who are kind of shy and seem nice". I have heard faculty search committee claim that the only candidates they got were from schools like MIT, Stanford and Berkeley (can't say I know if the candidates did anything worthwhile but the point is that strong pedigree can be a turn off). I read a grant proposal that didn't propose anything, just summarized old data and said we will do similar things. Other committee members thought it was wonderful. Thank goodness I helped shoot it down. I"m all for working hard, but the gatekeepers must be held accountable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-22228148719024604402017-03-21T10:55:05.099-04:002017-03-21T10:55:05.099-04:00The above is intolerant toward a specific religion...The above is intolerant toward a specific religion.<br /><br />Look forward to insults against other religions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-3781607854157144642017-03-21T10:52:55.193-04:002017-03-21T10:52:55.193-04:00He refers to his postdoc as a Research Fellowship ...He refers to his postdoc as a Research Fellowship directly within the Professional Employment section of his CV.<br /><br />How someone so low-achieving (places like Utah Valley University should not even exist!) can feel the need to write a letter like this is baffling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-28005347400512544802017-03-21T08:38:49.064-04:002017-03-21T08:38:49.064-04:00When I was in grad school (mid-90s), I don't t...When I was in grad school (mid-90s), I don't think my post-doc (the post-doc overseeing me) was making a whole lot more than I was.Hapnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-56577763610717308222017-03-21T01:58:17.747-04:002017-03-21T01:58:17.747-04:00*that unimpressive CV*that unimpressive CVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-50284583458367955652017-03-21T01:57:25.456-04:002017-03-21T01:57:25.456-04:00"And for someone who has taken the mantra of ..."And for someone who has taken the mantra of "shut up and get to work" his CV is rather unimpressive"<br /><br />Yeah, although I just learned of the existence of the Journal of Visualized experiments from looking at that unimpressive...Wow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-7357805816147449082017-03-20T22:38:01.021-04:002017-03-20T22:38:01.021-04:00And another thing you layabout shiftless whiners, ...And another thing you layabout shiftless whiners, one does not become a tool who talks about himself in the third person at length on his faculty webpage about such mundane activities as the New York Times crossword puzzle without a great deal of hard work. I have only had sex in the missionary position for 10 years, try that if you want to build character. So as it is in Utah, so shall it be in heaven. <br /><br />Stephen ChamberlandAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-74800336757689851642017-03-20T21:44:34.263-04:002017-03-20T21:44:34.263-04:001) Has he seen pharma (or just about any other ind...1) Has he seen pharma (or just about any other industry) lately? If you do good work, like, say, find an actual drug, you will probably get cashiered to pay for executive bonuses and stock buybacks.<br /><br />2) I think he has made his own bubble and doesn't entirely seem to realize that it bears little resemblance to the world his postdocs actually work and live in. Learning new skills should be fun and interesting, but it probably stops being so somewhere before 80 h/week. Having the opportunity to actually work at what you spent so much time and effort learning might be a plus, too. Without that hope, the "learning" part of a postdoc is a rationalization of why you should get paid McDonald's manager wages to help someone else get pubs. There wasn't a whole lot of good reasons to work for someone like Gilman other than the hope that it would get you somewhere afterwards. If it couldn't, well, there were farmers who needed lettuce picked that would pay more and treat you better.<br /><br />3) He sounds angry that someone would actually try to puncture his fantasies with facts and stuff. How dare they!Hapnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-20175028781903334472017-03-20T20:43:42.089-04:002017-03-20T20:43:42.089-04:00i was a grad student at IU years before that. I w...i was a grad student at IU years before that. I was shocked to learn some postdocs were earning only slightly more than I was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-33305879355071077902017-03-20T20:38:18.154-04:002017-03-20T20:38:18.154-04:00Why he even listed those superlatives on his CV is...Why he even listed those superlatives on his CV is baffling.. And for someone who has taken the mantra of "shut up and get to work" his CV is rather unimpressiveAnnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131744334254412109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-87010790416987332642017-03-20T20:14:34.776-04:002017-03-20T20:14:34.776-04:00They did recognize his value at the place where he...They did recognize his value at the place where he failed to get tenure. <br /><br />2012: "Professor Who Did the Most Promotion of Cancer Awareness", 2011: "Professor Most Passionate About Teaching", 2010: "Professor Most Likely to Crack a Joke in Class"<br /><br />It's bad form to kick someone who's down, but this case gets an exception. What. An. Ass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-52298676613021646422017-03-20T18:53:25.884-04:002017-03-20T18:53:25.884-04:00"If you do something of value, people will re..."If you do something of value, people will recognize you." <br /><br />Good grief! What an ass.Vrampirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09906893462524493572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-65631603094784832772017-03-20T15:42:35.742-04:002017-03-20T15:42:35.742-04:00Why doesn't he list his own post doc under the...Why doesn't he list his own post doc under the education heading on his CV? The combination of self-righteousness and hypocrisy is what gets to me in the letter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-38206293647594031752017-03-20T14:57:47.790-04:002017-03-20T14:57:47.790-04:00In terms of salaries I would definitely say they h...In terms of salaries I would definitely say they have stagnated. When I was a chemistry postdoc in 2013 at Indiana University my annual gross salary was a little under 32K. It was a great research environment but the salary made living difficult, especially with a spouse who was unable to work due to failing health. Definitely had to choose between food a medicine a few times.... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-60108181342020937532017-03-20T14:22:52.816-04:002017-03-20T14:22:52.816-04:00I would like some hard evidence for post doc stipe...I would like some hard evidence for post doc stipends in 2005. I sincerely doubt that post doc salaries have greatly increased, if anything they've stagnated in the face of ever increasing costs of living. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com