tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post6654001943466053351..comments2024-03-27T21:23:40.339-04:00Comments on Chemjobber: How do you forget old workplace hurts? Chemjobberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15932113680515602275noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-23011128057100619542016-01-15T09:51:23.763-05:002016-01-15T09:51:23.763-05:00I was a long-term WL/Pfizer employee who lost his ...I was a long-term WL/Pfizer employee who lost his job in the 2007 debacle. I eventually got over the anger/hurt with the help of other old Pfizer curmudgeons who were treated similarly. That, and this quote from Anne Lamott helped put my anger in perspective: “Not forgiving is like drinking rat poison and then waiting for the rat to die.”<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-46605684952208577292016-01-11T04:04:02.918-05:002016-01-11T04:04:02.918-05:00It's important to distinguish between incident...It's important to distinguish between incidents which take place in the heat of the moment, and calculated malice. I've experienced both in my various workplaces. I can forgive the former, but I never, ever forget nor forgive the latter. Nick Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-38560961325180002172016-01-10T13:58:04.719-05:002016-01-10T13:58:04.719-05:00Of course, these people's reasons can also be ...Of course, these people's reasons can also be terrible. That doesn't mean that understanding them won't help you out. After a long time, I figured out that despite opposite appearances, my former advisor is just terrified of everything. They act how they do to protect themselves from imaginary attacks, coming from every direction. Now, I realize they're pathetic, and can kind of laugh at them. They're still committing evil, but it helps me. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-60482998192196522742016-01-09T18:56:06.992-05:002016-01-09T18:56:06.992-05:00May I ask what the new career area is? Im trying t...May I ask what the new career area is? Im trying to get away from the bench myself.<br /><br />Best wishes to you. I think the "furies" will pass. I hope my do.NMHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-14049453732263824382016-01-09T18:24:20.710-05:002016-01-09T18:24:20.710-05:00Cronyism is absolutely sleazy. I can understand th...Cronyism is absolutely sleazy. I can understand that snowball effect, too, where the examples are so convoluted that the story would be too long and detailed if you had to start at the beginning (if you even knew where to start). <br /><br />I hope that new opportunity works out. I'm glad to hear it's part of your situation, but still hate that this happened to you and all your colleagues. echoesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-74610137065019950642016-01-09T15:28:20.159-05:002016-01-09T15:28:20.159-05:00NMH & echoes: Cronyism is sleazy, is it not? ...NMH & echoes: Cronyism is sleazy, is it not? So it dishonesty and there are just too many examples of that so you will have to trust me. I can't and don't want to get into specifics on a blog.<br /><br />My plan was and still is to move into a new career, science-related but away from the bench. I'm almost there. If it wasn't for the layoff I would have eventually resigned for the new opportunity, but I suppose on paper it would have been a retirement with deferred pension. I'm short of 85 points, if I take the pension now it will be reduced. I need to wait several years now if I want to maximize it. If this new opportunity doesn't work I will be ok if I am very careful. If it does I will be golden - my remaining time on the Dupont books + severance package will keep me at full time pay a few months into 2017 so a new job in 2016 and I will be double income. That would make me very, very fortunate relative to MANY colleagues without my financial resources and company time (and working spouse) and a lot of them are stressed and in trouble. Even though I personally will turn out just fine, watching this unjustice unfold is simply infuriating. Especially since these same behaviors (cronyism, dishonesty, etc.) have helped destroy CR&D and Dupont - they had become ingrained into the company culture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-11929978744321468752016-01-09T15:22:42.492-05:002016-01-09T15:22:42.492-05:00I agree with points 1-3. I was once in a similar ...I agree with points 1-3. I was once in a similar situation with a few coworkers, although I was well-liked by the rest of the group and the company as a whole, including senior management. Things came to a head and I transferred to another group within the same company. Several of my coworkers quit or transferred groups at the same time as me, for the same reason. It was a very dysfunctional environment, but sadly, not uncommon in its particular flavor of dysfunction.<br /><br />Time, and moving on to better things, have healed a lot of wounds for me, as does knowing that I have been well-respected professionally and personally at all positions before and after.<br />Old Biddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12982631719343776864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-75687806582278467862016-01-09T13:53:37.380-05:002016-01-09T13:53:37.380-05:00I'm sorry. Resign or retire?I'm sorry. Resign or retire?echoesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-56485019836700486902016-01-09T13:21:59.079-05:002016-01-09T13:21:59.079-05:00To anonymous 5:41: The same thing happened in the ...To anonymous 5:41: The same thing happened in the Merck layoffs: managers and young people generally safe, scientists and older people at higher risk, old scientists totally f#@&ed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-2920066112137269872016-01-09T13:16:03.304-05:002016-01-09T13:16:03.304-05:00I'm curious, too.
And you don't necessar...I'm curious, too. <br /><br />And you don't necessarily have to go back to work? Once you get over being really furious, this may be an opportunity to be happier in the long-term...?echoesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-45338899395249534302016-01-09T10:12:37.864-05:002016-01-09T10:12:37.864-05:00Sleazy? Please elaborate. Inquiring minds want to ...Sleazy? Please elaborate. Inquiring minds want to know....NMHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-67836853212407866352016-01-09T08:17:29.336-05:002016-01-09T08:17:29.336-05:00CJ - This is anonymous 5:41. I'm ok, really. ...CJ - This is anonymous 5:41. I'm ok, really. I'm old enough and pissed enough that I was going to resign from Dupont this year anyway. The unethical and sleazy behavior on the part of management these last several years just became intolerable. This most recent act is just another example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-74021439709339010992016-01-09T07:31:17.199-05:002016-01-09T07:31:17.199-05:00For a building with fire suppression sprinklers, C...For a building with fire suppression sprinklers, CaC2 and Na could bring back fun into funeralmilkshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08188961610554710616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-69921409146625544372016-01-09T07:28:39.364-05:002016-01-09T07:28:39.364-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.milkshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08188961610554710616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-67235301487465560442016-01-08T21:44:02.314-05:002016-01-08T21:44:02.314-05:00And a little White Phosphorus in the mix to keep t...And a little White Phosphorus in the mix to keep things lively around the house. :-)Oldnukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04791120442174416990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-52775082213089233532016-01-08T18:05:41.501-05:002016-01-08T18:05:41.501-05:00More data points to support my hypothesis: The fur...More data points to support my hypothesis: The further away you are from benchwork, whether it be a PI who writes grants all day in academia, or a lazy-ass "manager" at industry, the longer you last in scientific research.<br /><br />If you get a PhD, you really have to do everything to get out of doing benchwork as quickly as you can in your career....or else.NMHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-35394967414985456642016-01-08T17:47:59.898-05:002016-01-08T17:47:59.898-05:00E-mail me, and I can try to help you: chemjobber@g...E-mail me, and I can try to help you: chemjobber@gmail.comChemjobberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15932113680515602275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-69015544931273437882016-01-08T17:47:28.043-05:002016-01-08T17:47:28.043-05:00Relax, you just got laid off. You're allowed, ...Relax, you just got laid off. You're allowed, even encouraged, to vent here. Chemjobberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15932113680515602275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-90576024350484296912016-01-08T17:41:23.836-05:002016-01-08T17:41:23.836-05:00echoes - yes, today. Slight mistake in my post - ...echoes - yes, today. Slight mistake in my post - three of the CR&D managers, not two, remain in S&I. Two continue as managers. The third - get this - was given a spot as a PI in S&I. All those PIs laid off, CR&D left with only 17 PIs remaining out of 130-140 a few weeks ago, AND THEY GAVE ONE OF THOSE PRECIOUS PI SLOTS TO A GODDAMN MANAGER. (Sorry CJ, I did it again).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-6935032119560124542016-01-08T17:29:37.661-05:002016-01-08T17:29:37.661-05:00That's awful. You just found out today?That's awful. You just found out today?echoesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-15635717515013121032016-01-08T16:03:42.396-05:002016-01-08T16:03:42.396-05:00CJ - hope you don't mind the venting, I'll...CJ - hope you don't mind the venting, I'll try not to do it again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-62595190928196988322016-01-08T16:02:11.116-05:002016-01-08T16:02:11.116-05:00I'm going to forget a NEW workplace hurt. I w...I'm going to forget a NEW workplace hurt. I was just laid off from Dupont CR&D. I just heard that ALL of the CR&D managers were "saved". Two I know for sure remain in Science and Innovation (the new name for what used to be CR&D). All of the others were given positions in businesses. Not a single manager was let go in the headcount reduction earlier in 2015, either. Nine group managers, all of them saved when ca. 65 % of the PIs/AIs were laid off. Can't begin to describe how pissed off I am at these unethical, favorite-playing scumbags.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-4129434920522544502016-01-08T15:39:43.636-05:002016-01-08T15:39:43.636-05:00I agree this can be somewhat wired in to human nat...I agree this can be somewhat wired in to human nature as admittedly I still have memories of differences I had with my siblings growing up. <br /><br />There is some sound advice in responses particular about time taking sting out however CJ I wonder if your father had to deal with the people involved or saw negative repercussions of the events for a long period afterwards therefore was never really able to compartmentalize, resolve and move on because of continued reminders. I know there is one former Supervisor On my Back where I have been glad I have moved to a new area of chemistry where paths have not crossed at meetings since if I had ever seen him probably would have asked if he was still the same old "lying back-standing incompetent manager". <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-7090572458358016342016-01-08T09:20:45.273-05:002016-01-08T09:20:45.273-05:00As someone who worked for an awful PI in grad scho...As someone who worked for an awful PI in grad school, I really enjoy vocally supporting Scott Walker or any other public figure who trashes academics.KTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-14581247933014303542016-01-08T09:13:49.304-05:002016-01-08T09:13:49.304-05:00I agree about living in the present. Stack rankin...I agree about living in the present. Stack ranking forces some of this behavior, and the sharks will turn against one another if threatened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com