tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post2107604688778119446..comments2024-03-27T21:23:40.339-04:00Comments on Chemjobber: Weird nuclear thought of the morningChemjobberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15932113680515602275noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-57928942599447608802016-01-07T09:09:36.021-05:002016-01-07T09:09:36.021-05:00I don't know how easy it would be to hide the ...I don't know how easy it would be to hide the isotopic emissions. The USSR could not do it for their early tests. Also, I concur that it's likely to be a boosted fission device. In spite of the widespread know-how regarding nukes available in the public domain, the devil of the Ulam-Teller mechanism is in its details.Wavefunctionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14993805391653267639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-9442143157205752202016-01-06T23:37:25.214-05:002016-01-06T23:37:25.214-05:00I don't know a THING about nuclear decay pathw...I don't know a THING about nuclear decay pathways, but my impression of a thermonuclear device is that it'll feature fast-neutron fission of U-238 - I don't know if this is somehow detectably different from fission of U-235 or Pu-239.<br /><br />Morris Slutskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04059991912197018014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-25977134352835932242016-01-06T23:27:58.194-05:002016-01-06T23:27:58.194-05:00I was also thinking they tried to do a fusion devi...I was also thinking they tried to do a fusion device, got the fission part off and the fusion was a dud, seeing as the seismic data wasn't all that impressive and given the power of other fusion devices. Then they just claim they detonated a fusion device anyway. I guess technically they may have tested a fusion device. Whether or not it worked is another story. <br /><br />What isotopes are they looking for anyway? They fuse H to He? Lithium is involved too, maybe? And there'd be U whichever or plutonium involved if there's a fission device.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-63143261042278757072016-01-06T15:24:32.635-05:002016-01-06T15:24:32.635-05:00Not much "boost". More like a fission co...Not much "boost". More like a fission core went off and the H-part didn't ignite....<br />The reported estimate of 6 kt yield is much smaller than that of the Indian Shakti-1 (45kt) - the tiniest fusion yield I could find. <br /><br />I don't think the Vela incident (a suspect SA-Israeli test in 1979) was confirmed as an actual H-bomb but that one would have been smaller...SJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-3723623267323300492016-01-06T14:27:55.353-05:002016-01-06T14:27:55.353-05:00Quite likely it may 'just' be a boosted fi...Quite likely it may 'just' be a boosted fission device- but I think whatever plume they catch is highly diagnostic as the distribution of daughter isotopes is very specific for the type and size of different bombs. I really don't think there's any way they could fake or mask the isotope signatures as the volume of debris, distribution of particle sizes and amts of the fastest decaying isotopes are too well known and complex to fake (but all of this is outside my area).<br /><br />And there's much greater propaganda value in a fusion-esque device than anything else!Eka-siliconnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-30815552238229726602016-01-06T13:56:40.396-05:002016-01-06T13:56:40.396-05:00Reports are that the seismographic data is consist...Reports are that the seismographic data is consistent with a smaller detonation than you would expect from a thermonuclear weapon. It's comparable in magnitude to their previous three tests. There's a people's congress meeting soon in NK and sometime this week is the little Dear Leaders birthday. The test may be as much for domestic consumption as the world at large. Or maybe they were annoyed that terrorism and Iran were getting all the headlines.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-12848330176166739192016-01-06T13:11:26.338-05:002016-01-06T13:11:26.338-05:00You might be able to guess the way in which the nu...You might be able to guess the way in which the nuclear material is generated - if it were from somewhere else (not made in NK), you might be able to determine its source.<br /><br />Wouldn't this have made a big enough bang (I assume you can't make a small thermonuclear device because you need enough boom to generate fusion) for someone outside NK to have detected?Hapnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-1022238918827987332016-01-06T12:33:10.784-05:002016-01-06T12:33:10.784-05:00And isn't the best way to test whether your is...And isn't the best way to test whether your isotope trapping has worked to announce the bomb very loudly, thereby forcing the US air force to fly over and check? But then you have to assume the US air force is honest about its findings. Conspiracies everywhere! SSGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-19869762704620125852016-01-06T12:30:58.723-05:002016-01-06T12:30:58.723-05:00I don't know if there is an official claim by ...I don't know if there is an official claim by North Korea, but if they did claim to have tested an H-bomb, why would they try to hide the emissions? The only reason I can think of is that to prevent other nations know the composition of the bomb or the amount of radioactive material that's used?Chemdiaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06428076032546974013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-8075110158181874322016-01-06T11:32:06.755-05:002016-01-06T11:32:06.755-05:00At one time, they used Tracerlab in Boston for the...At one time, they used Tracerlab in Boston for the analysis, if I remember correctly. Last I know, they had built a new radiochemistry lab at AFTAC. (http://www.henselphelps.com/projects/air-force-technical-application-center-aftac-central-headquarters-and-)<br />Oldnukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04791120442174416990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-45225547476824872502016-01-06T11:22:17.685-05:002016-01-06T11:22:17.685-05:00Oooh, an even awesomer weird thought. Well done! Oooh, an even awesomer weird thought. Well done! Chemjobberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15932113680515602275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-78428855934847269732016-01-06T11:20:23.060-05:002016-01-06T11:20:23.060-05:00Alternately, given that North Korea wants to play ...Alternately, given that North Korea wants to play brinksmanship-for-profit by making their program look impressive, are there North Korean scientists or engineers attempting to create isotopic emissions to simulate a type of nuke they don't actually have?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com