tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post2846451198446125955..comments2024-03-27T21:23:40.339-04:00Comments on Chemjobber: A new website for employment outlook tracking for the Ph.D. job market: HiredPhD.comChemjobberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15932113680515602275noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-46993665260412032682016-08-19T08:48:29.867-04:002016-08-19T08:48:29.867-04:00(Anon 2:10 here) If we could get departments/unive...(Anon 2:10 here) If we could get departments/universities to start keeping track of former students, providing job outcome data to incoming students, etc., we all win. Cross referencing sounds like a great idea and may solve the above issues, but seems like a ton of work. It's doubtful we'll get PIs to keep better track, but I definitely think we could influence departments to do a much better job than they do (mostly nothing in most places). Thanks for your efforts and good luck! I'm really interested to see where this goes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-30927934150779118132016-08-18T17:03:45.429-04:002016-08-18T17:03:45.429-04:00Thanks for your support and feedback! The concerns...Thanks for your support and feedback! The concerns both of you bring up are very real, nontrivial issues. I have a few ideas I'm considering to deal with outdated or missing info, which necessitate an outside source - either cross-referencing names from the websites with something like LinkedIn, or beseeching the PI/department for info directly, or crowdsourcing like you mentioned. I'm resistant to the idea of a survey because I am a nobody and I'm worried about having a high enough response rate for it to be worthwhile :) <br /><br />Hopefully this project will call enough attention to the issue that departments and universities will start keeping better track/being more transparent about job placement during the admissions process!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08150947568450619810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-3198691944907103322016-08-18T14:10:43.112-04:002016-08-18T14:10:43.112-04:00I second this statement. Even if they have a group...I second this statement. Even if they have a group website, PIs are notoriously bad with keeping up with their former students. Many will post the first thing the student does after leaving the group (postdoc or job) and never update again. Scraping websites isn't going to provide very accurate information. I applaud the effort, the methodology may be a bit lacking.<br /><br />Maybe some combination of data scraping and a more in-depth survey is needed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-72122616113021080342016-08-17T13:47:56.551-04:002016-08-17T13:47:56.551-04:00This is AWESOME, and I wish Rachel Harris all succ...This is AWESOME, and I wish Rachel Harris all success and all the very best for this endeavor. This is an extremely important piece of information; any PhD chemist on the job market now can tell you that BLS data or ACS employment statistics do not necessarily reflect the reality of today's dismal job market.<br />The challenge here is that it will be difficult to procure the data necessary for analysis; chemists; especially organic chemists, are notorious for being luddites, and a lot of them may not have webpages with alumni information available for scraping. Case in point: my PI does not have a group webpage.<br />A lot of this data will have to be contributed individually.<br />Also, keep in mind reporting bias: group websites may be biased to only showing employment outcomes of their most successful students!<br />This is a project that I've thought of doing myself for a long time, but the challenge is the scarcity of data.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-79352769107191825102016-08-16T13:14:42.658-04:002016-08-16T13:14:42.658-04:00Nice! Would be a great resource for people thinkin...Nice! Would be a great resource for people thinking about grad school, or grad students starting their job search.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-56125570092358219132016-08-16T10:10:22.297-04:002016-08-16T10:10:22.297-04:00This is a really cool project!This is a really cool project!chem13https://www.blogger.com/profile/16470099202144616995noreply@blogger.com