tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post7433071458430348105..comments2024-03-27T21:23:40.339-04:00Comments on Chemjobber: Chemistry Nobelists doing their prize-winning work laterChemjobberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15932113680515602275noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-15750986109433846722011-12-05T18:44:20.414-05:002011-12-05T18:44:20.414-05:00Anon10:06--yeah, that's about the generation i...Anon10:06--yeah, that's about the generation i'm talking about. those guys did great work! <br /><br />just for the record i believe that the "...but there's so much more to learn now!" argument for grad-school extension (stagnation) is effectively rebutted with the observation that Med School takes exactly as long as it did in 1965.bad wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15804828431479742741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-77645193918156123432011-12-05T13:25:44.227-05:002011-12-05T13:25:44.227-05:00Still yet to take that trip to Stockholm. Sigh.Still yet to take that trip to Stockholm. Sigh.Chemjobberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15932113680515602275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-40612294886361626312011-12-05T13:06:13.593-05:002011-12-05T13:06:13.593-05:00Bad wolf...The venerable Prof. Barry Trost, Profes...Bad wolf...The venerable Prof. Barry Trost, Professor at Stanford University, fulfill those criteria. An early start at MIT (famous Prof. Hubert House) followed by an appointment at Madison, Wisconsin at age 24! The rest is history. Beat that, I say!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-87946800796102110132011-12-05T11:25:35.338-05:002011-12-05T11:25:35.338-05:00One of my committee members graduated at 22, went ...One of my committee members graduated at 22, went to grad school for 3 years (top school/famous PI), did a less than one year postdoc (ditto) and was a PI himself at 25. I don't know if that was the norm back then but it was far from the norm today.<br /><br />The under-30 portion has moved from 15% at the turn of the century to <5% now, and even that number is amazing considering how many are not even independent at that point.bad wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15804828431479742741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-52515488648292170102011-12-05T10:48:31.654-05:002011-12-05T10:48:31.654-05:00I blogged about this here. But the statement "...I blogged about this <a href="http://wavefunction.fieldofscience.com/2011/11/age-is-of-course-fever-chill-why-older.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. But the statement "Scientists may be spending their most creative years being trained, as doctoral students and as postdocs, rather than doing their own innovative research." points again to how evil the Ph.D. system can be. As Freeman Dyson points out, the problem is that during most Ph.D.s you are forced to focus for a long time on a single problem of most interest to your advisor rather than explore problems of your own interest, each for a short period of time. Conversely your advisor is also forced to stick with your problem even after he or she loses interest in it. We need an alternative path to glory.Wavefunctionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14993805391653267639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-72384201619540518472011-12-05T10:38:35.854-05:002011-12-05T10:38:35.854-05:00FYI that this study came out a month ago and refer...FYI that this study came out a month ago and refers to all types of Nobel prize-winners, not just chemists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-34967605171434536422011-12-05T10:25:27.448-05:002011-12-05T10:25:27.448-05:00Nice! Meaning I still have a hope.Nice! Meaning I still have a hope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com