tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post7749110867625940593..comments2024-03-27T21:23:40.339-04:00Comments on Chemjobber: Job posting: Ph.D. inorganic chemist, Minneapolis, MNChemjobberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15932113680515602275noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-4358638430545432362013-01-23T22:53:38.330-05:002013-01-23T22:53:38.330-05:00Anyone doing anything in the oil and gas sector is...Anyone doing anything in the oil and gas sector is making big bucks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-51200561932736282082012-12-31T14:37:06.672-05:002012-12-31T14:37:06.672-05:0090 - 120K doesn't sound attractive for a PhD c...90 - 120K doesn't sound attractive for a PhD chemistry position. But I guess it has to do with what the firm is making at the moment. Maybe they are small.dan @ Free Chemistry Onlinehttp://www.freechemistryonline.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-52192962304542248302012-12-14T22:40:14.685-05:002012-12-14T22:40:14.685-05:00LOL...a friend of mine, BS in ChemEng., is making ...LOL...a friend of mine, BS in ChemEng., is making 80K in the oil&gas sector with less than 2 years experience. PhD with 10 years experience and only get you 90k is somewhat sad. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-63860530778923229562012-12-14T13:40:54.042-05:002012-12-14T13:40:54.042-05:00The fact that Dow and Merck are massive corporate ...The fact that Dow and Merck are massive corporate entities versus a start-up company in MN also plays a role. Doesn't say anything about stock options, which is where most start-ups try to make up the difference.<br /><br />The salary range of $90-120K for 10 years experience is more than reasonable. The ad itself said that it would be based on current salary level. There aren't many people with 10 years at a Sr. Scientist role making more than $120K. <br /><br />Anyone at that experience level who is insulted by that compensation hasn't been looking for a job in the last couple of years.The Aqueous Layernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-75098579041993595932012-12-14T11:04:57.874-05:002012-12-14T11:04:57.874-05:00It's really a tossup as to what has the larger...It's really a tossup as to what has the larger sample size, yes? Chemjobberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15932113680515602275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-75326614725888607222012-12-14T10:57:00.852-05:002012-12-14T10:57:00.852-05:00I'd trust Glassdoor more than ACS. They list 1...I'd trust Glassdoor more than ACS. They list 10+ yr Sr. research chemists as avg 110K at Dow, 96K at Merck for 7-9 yr.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-29738776201847696412012-12-14T08:51:14.341-05:002012-12-14T08:51:14.341-05:00Take note current and prospective grad students: a...<i>Take note current and prospective grad students: a PhD and 10 yrs exp doesn't guarantee you'll make 6 figures.</i><br /><br />They should take note.<br /><br />In this economy and job market, that degree and level of experience doesn't guarantee you employment, let alone a 6 figure salary.The Aqueous Layernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-51669386785597649092012-12-14T08:23:03.779-05:002012-12-14T08:23:03.779-05:00From experience...I finished my Ph.D. 11 years ago...From experience...I finished my Ph.D. 11 years ago and went directly into the Pharma industry in NJ making $80K/year - which by the way was the amount all of my colleagues were making - even those living in Palo Alto. I no longer work in that industry; however, taking the starting salary and with a decent 3.5% pay raise each year (which was on the high end), one would be making ~115K right now. So, 90 - 120K in MN is pretty reasonable.Lyle Langleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-12363683223916817122012-12-14T08:15:23.829-05:002012-12-14T08:15:23.829-05:00It's not called "being right" it'...It's not called "being right" it's called living in the real world. Some just don't get it...but you want to make the big bucks, get into the Monorail duping business - suitcases overflowing with cash.Lyle Langleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-77323546995631283762012-12-14T04:00:49.336-05:002012-12-14T04:00:49.336-05:00I'd swallow that insult with gratitude.I'd swallow that insult with gratitude.somedudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-90240657720484528072012-12-13T22:11:10.479-05:002012-12-13T22:11:10.479-05:00Just to clarify, this data is saying that your sni...Just to clarify, this data is saying that your snide anonymous commenters are way off base, and that someone named Lyle Langley, although also excessively snide, is in the right?Curt F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16897927933003001927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-75635366754627632082012-12-13T19:24:52.904-05:002012-12-13T19:24:52.904-05:00Just so we can get some numbers in this situation,...Just so we can get some numbers in this situation, this is the recent "ACS Salary Comparator" result for this position. You can see the parameters that I mentioned below, along with the salary decile guesses:<br /><br />Those who wish to try their own hand need ACS membership: https://portal.acs.org/portal/acs/corg/coldfusionapp?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=mapp_ACSComparator_pg<br /><br />Position: Non-academic (None)<br />Experience (Years Since Bachelor's Degree): 15 (None)<br />Gender: Male 1.0000 (+ 0.0%)<br />Highest Degree: Doctorate 1.2744 (+ 27.4%)<br />Current Specialty: Inorganic chemistry 1.0000 (+ 0.0%)<br />Work Function: R&D: applied research, development, design 1.0000 (+ 0.0%)<br />Employer Type: Biochemical products manufacturing 1.0000 (+ 0.0%)<br />Employer Size: Less than 50 0.8553 (- 14.5%)<br />Geographic Location: Minneapolis Metro Area 1.0000 (+ 0.0%)<br /><br />High Decile 90th Percentile $120,180<br />80th Percentile $107,335<br />70th Percentile $98,965<br />60th Percentile $92,381<br />Median (midpoint) 50th Percentile $83,650<br />40th Percentile $80,912<br />30th Percentile $75,528<br />20th Percentile $69,639<br />Low Decile 10th Percentile $62,196<br />Hourly Equivalent Median Value $40.22Chemjobberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15932113680515602275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-47136738614566040042012-12-13T19:11:33.043-05:002012-12-13T19:11:33.043-05:0090K for a PhD with 10 years of experience is prett...90K for a PhD with 10 years of experience is pretty insulting, regardless of where you live. Lyle is probably the hiring manager for that company and he is just trolling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-45648165750299866192012-12-13T17:54:20.495-05:002012-12-13T17:54:20.495-05:00... ACS VP ...?... ACS VP ...?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-51573738003947033482012-12-13T17:04:36.487-05:002012-12-13T17:04:36.487-05:0090 - 120 K in MN is now "minimum wage" -...90 - 120 K in MN is now "minimum wage" - now that's entitlement. Keep on looking postdoc, maybe you'll find that 600K job you're looking for.Lyle Langleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-28622744837127862862012-12-13T14:56:48.083-05:002012-12-13T14:56:48.083-05:00My first job out of my postdoc was with a startup ...My first job out of my postdoc was with a startup and I made nearly $90K. It was a higher cost of living area, but I can't name a place in the US where $90K (or $120K, Lyle) seems reasonable after a PhD and 10 years of industry experience.postdocnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-64694554008932333262012-12-13T14:53:30.830-05:002012-12-13T14:53:30.830-05:00"Depending on current salary level" is j..."Depending on current salary level" is just as flawed as every "argument" (cough-baiting-cough) that you've ever made. That metric supposes that two PhDs with the same amount of experience will make different salaries depending on whether they came from Boston or South Carolina.<br /><br />Love the mindless contrarianism you always bring. Maybe everybody in the country should just make minimum wage? Nobody should feel "entitled" to any more, right?postdocnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-52236850829424952992012-12-13T13:49:24.150-05:002012-12-13T13:49:24.150-05:00Well, "postdoc" don't you deserve so...Well, "postdoc" don't you deserve so much more...love the entitlement here. Like how you use the lower limit for your "argument" (cough - rant - cough). Easily could be 6 figures (see the "depending on current salary level). And, by the way, cost-of-living argument is part of the equation, if you don't think so, I'll take 90 - 120K in Minny and give you 180 - 200K in San Fran - have fun with that.Lyle Langleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-69919049406099507082012-12-13T13:02:12.537-05:002012-12-13T13:02:12.537-05:00Worth pointing out that it's start-upish.Worth pointing out that it's start-upish. Chemjobberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15932113680515602275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-16594199090144160602012-12-13T12:00:59.680-05:002012-12-13T12:00:59.680-05:00Take note current and prospective grad students: a...Take note current and prospective grad students: a PhD and 10 yrs exp doesn't guarantee you'll make 6 figures. Don't even try to throw the cost of living argument up, $90K for that much experience is an insult, whether it's San Francisco or outer bumfuck Nebraska.postdocnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8964719845369935777.post-67169057159210732972012-12-13T10:21:56.108-05:002012-12-13T10:21:56.108-05:00www.bio-amber.comwww.bio-amber.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com