The 2024 Chemistry Faculty Jobs List (curated by Andrew Spaeth and myself) has 481 research/teaching positions and 60 teaching positions.
Want to help out? Here's a Google Form to enter positions.To see trending, go to Andrew Spaeth's visualization of previous years' list.
On December 20, 2022, the 2023 Chemistry Faculty Jobs List had 564 research/teaching positions and 48 teaching-focused position.
Want to talk anonymously? Have an update on the status of a job search? Here's the first open thread. Here's a link to the current, second, open thread. This will be the third open thread when I close the second thread shortly.
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Are all the on-site invites sent out on the same day? In the status tracker spreadsheet, U Chicago and UIUC have multiple on-site invitation dates. Why are the invitations not sent out all at once?
ReplyDeleteUIUC is an open search and the different divisions sent their invites on different days
DeleteSomeone could have declined the onsite and they decided to send a new invite to another candidate.
DeleteIs this the 3rd open thread?
ReplyDeleteIt sure is!
DeleteAnyone hear from RIT?
ReplyDeleteRIT asked for reference letters on 12/29.
DeleteYes, I got the same request. Probabaly part of their evaluation process, not for the selected people.
DeleteHas anyone heard back from the University of Oregon (Materials, Chemistry/Physics hybrid search) since Zoom interviews?
ReplyDeleteSomeone reported rejection after the Zoom
DeleteIf you haven't receive rejection after zoom interview, you chance is high
DeleteNeed an opinion. I got an on campus interview in a SLAC after the Zoom round. While checking the salary from the open payroll (it is a state university) I see the salary of the current assistant professor in the department is quite low. It is in the south but the real estate price is much higher as it is close to a major city. I don't think I can accept that offer in that salary range. Do you think I should ask the department chair about the salary range before the on campus interview?
ReplyDeleteCompare it to the salaries of the others (associate and full). Sometimes a lone salary can be weird for unknown reasons. If associates and full are also low, that's your answer.
DeleteYeah, I think I would only ask at this stage if you are triaging to make space in the calendar for other interviews or if there is some reason why traveling for the interview would be a challenge in your current situation. Salary is much more a question for your meeting with the dean/provost than the department chair IMO (and even then the above comment is probably correct that you are in a better position to ask with an offer in hand).
DeleteIf you get an offer, the chair becomes your ally and will help you put together a startup package and salary that they think is likely to get approved by the dean. If there's pushback on something, you and the chair can pressure the dean. Here's where having another offer to show helps a lot, especially if the salary is higher. I went through this process last year. A place had a fairly hard salary range way under what was under what it would cost to live in the New England area. They wouldn't budge, and I had to turn it down (there were admittedly other issues with the place that influenced my decision).
DeleteGot the offer and declined. The salary was too low to be even negotiated.
DeleteI am aware of a case where a new hire underestimated the housing costs and quit a few weeks in.
DeleteDose anyone have an update on the Utah State Organic opening? I had a Zoom interview in late October and haven't heard anything since. I just want to figure out if I am out of the running yet.
ReplyDeleteThey did all of their on-sites in December so unfortunately you probably are.
DeleteHas anyone interviewed the UArkansas biochemistry position?
ReplyDeleteI phone-interviewed at the end of Nov. 2023 but received no updates since then
DeleteAnyone heard from Wake Forest on the Biochemistry position? I know that the PChem position has sent invites for on-site interviews, but I haven't seen anything on any of the sheets about the biochem position.
ReplyDeleteCuriosity +1. No contact info of the search committee so no way to inquire.
DeleteI've had good luck using a generic contact on the jobs page for a given university. Sometimes takes a couple days to route it to the department and their search committee but worth doing if the info is important.
DeleteAnyone heard anything from UCLA after zoom interview?
ReplyDeleteAnyone heard from UT-Dallas computational search?
ReplyDeleteBe patient if you are an ML candidate
DeleteCurious to know if no consideration would be made to non-ML candidates.
DeleteA department faculty broadcast "ML ONLY"
DeleteAlso bear in mind that the department already has two non-ML CompChem PIs
DeleteAre they mainly looking for ML for bio or ML for materials?
DeleteThoughts on wearing mask during on-site interviews ? Of course, will be taking it off when eating.
ReplyDeleteNobody should care, especially since COVID numbers are up right now.
DeleteEven in the South where masks were never standard, no one would care if you wore one to the interview. I would recommend taking it off for your seminars, because you want to come across as speaking clearly and it's always hard to tell what the sound in any given seminar room will be like.
DeleteI agree with the commenters above. Also, if they won't hire you because you wore a mask... is that really a department/school you want to work at? Wear the mask—protect yourself.
DeleteAny follow up from RIT after they asked for reference letters before Chrismas?
ReplyDeleteRadio silence here too.
DeleteThey asked for phoone interview
DeletePhone interview here too. Congrats, Anon Commenter 2 from Anon Commenter 1!
DeleteThanks Ann commenter 1. How did the zoom interview go? Mine is kind of mix feeling as they were in very rush and did not allow for questions from me though it finished in less than 30 minutes.
DeleteFunny you should ask, Anon Commenter 2...I came away with basically the same feelings as you describe. Definitely felt like a rush and it bothers me when they announce that they are going to be on a script (I know it's for equity purposes and I welcome that but for some reason announcing it at the beginning just makes me feel more nervous and rushed) It honestly felt so rushed that when they asked if I had questions at the end I kind of blanked and totally forgot to ask about the teaching load which is a question I usually ask on Zooms. I don't want to say that I'm "glad" that you had the same experience, but at least we can feel a little less alone.
DeleteI even didn’t get the chance to ask questions. They finished less than 30 minutes. Not sure what is their policy. Finger crossed and see what happens next. Good luck to both of us - ann commenter 2.
DeleteAny follow up after the zoom?
DeleteGot an on-site invite today. Hoping you will too!
DeleteHow was your on site interview? I got a notification today about on site interview. Not sure why they are sending in different times.
DeleteI thought it went really well. I loved the location and the people were awesome. Glad you got an invite too...hoping that isn't a bad sign for me. (But I would think that is exactly what it means unfortunately). Hopefully you have better luck than me if my instinct about your invite is right! They are really great and I hope they get the person they really want, even if it's not me. =/
DeleteAnyone got interview from Tenesse Tech?
ReplyDeleteI know someone on the faculty at TN Tech and they told me that the chair of the search committee is moving kind of slowly. The department is going to push for the process to speed up.
DeleteOk. Thanks for the info.
DeleteAnyone hear from Cal State Fullerton (organic)?
ReplyDeleteAn offer was received and declined in early December, though it is unclear if this was the first offer or not.
DeleteWhat is the typical budget for general lab supplies to be included in start up grant? 25k per year seems good? I need to provide a list before my on campus interview.
ReplyDeleteI got a biochem job last year at an R1 and I'm currently operating with ~$40k per year for general reagents and consumables. I think it's more than I'll actually need, but you'd be surprised at how much crap you need to buy that you will forget about - you want a cushion for the unexpected. We would struggle to operate with $25k ($2k per month), but it depends on what you're doing and what is considered general lab supplies (instrument/core recharge fees rolled into this? software fees? equipment repairs?). We initially burned like $1k on just PPE that won't get us through much more than 6 months. Ask around if you can - I talked with another recent hire where I was looking and got the number I went with.
DeleteGot an offer by a phone call from the dean. I don’t like the salary as it was way less than expected (less than my current one in another similar university). They now ask for the equipment list and want to speak again. They want verbal acceptance before issuing the letter. What is the best way to negotiate? Should I emphasize on having a written letter?
ReplyDeleteI was never pressured for a commitment prior to the details being worked out, but they did ask what my level of interest was before going too far through the process. I've heard some bad stories of people getting pushed around by people wanting commitments without knowing the full picture. I wouldn't commit to anything verbally, not that they can do much about you backing out without it being in writing (I've heard of one person backing out after signing the contract and the university let them get away with it). Restate that you're definitely interested but want to see the negotiations through. They should understand and be accommodating if they really want you. If not, it says a lot about their culture.
DeleteAnyone heard about University of Michigan quantum science and technology cluster hire?
ReplyDeleteIt looks like zoom interviews were scheduled: http://www.cmamorumors.org/doku.php?id=jobpostings2023
DeleteGot an offer with 60k starting salary in a PUI with moderate research expectation. It is close to a metropolitan city where the average house price is above 300k. Do you think it is worth to even negotiate? I am the only earner of my family. I have some interviews yet pending. They also offer a summer salary of $1000 for 2 years (what a joke!).
ReplyDeleteThe faculty at my undergrad (a PUI) made that when I was there more than a decade ago, and it was a pretty run-of-the-mill state university in a small city. Since it sounds like you're in need of a significant increase, you might as well be direct about it what you need. Haggling is only going to get you smaller increases.
DeleteTL/DR: Yes, ask for a raise, and be prepared to walk away.
DeleteDeets:
Be sure to check the Academe annual salary survey for by-rank averages. https://www.aaup.org/sites/default/files/AAUP-2023-SurveyAppendices.pdf
Also check on the financial health of the institution. forbes.com is a good place to start. If they are borrowing money to make payroll, run - don't walk - away.
Incoming faculty can be starry-eyed, but reality is driven by the Benjamins.
@2:09 AM for comparison I accepted a position at a PUI for the upcoming year near a metro city that is getting more expensive, and the original offer was 65K that was raised to 68K. So I think it is super worth negotiating and fighting for a higher salary; like @8:23AM says its easy to get excited about the offer itself but you need to put food on the table. It's worth advocating for yourself.
DeleteIt's always worth negotiating for things that you believe are important to you. My experience with PUIs is that there is some wiggle room but not a lot.
DeleteThanks for all the comments. The negotiation is still running after I ask for 12k more than what they offer.
DeleteUpdate: declined the offer has they couldn’t go past 63k. They offered $1000 summer salary for 3 years as an extra compensation (another joke).
DeleteI have an on campus coming soon and have a question. I just have one research presentation to talk about your current and future research. How should I split it into? and how do I make the transition from current to future. I also have some preliminary data to support my future research. Thanks in advance!
ReplyDeleteIs there also a chalk talk for just your future plans? Your presentation is not necessarily private like chalk talks are, so you don't want to give away any of your big ideas. For my research presentation, I had just a few slides at the end connecting what I have done to the types of research I want my lab to work on. I stuck with big picture stuff and focused on how significant and innovative it was rather than specific aims type of material and how my prior work provides a foundation for success. You can also highlight how your research program will synergize with existing labs or fill in expertise gaps. The search committee should be able to provide some clarity if you're really unsure about how much future to include.
DeleteFor a PUI, I think roughly 25–33% proposed research is a good amount. I am not sure about R1/R2.
DeleteI transition by summarizing a few of the key themes from my current research (broad themes not specific projects, e.g. "using organic synthesis to probe biological questions" or whatever) and following up with "and I plan to continue along these lines in my work with students here at Fancypants Univeristy."
SEARCH UPDATE: Unites States Coast Guard Academy: The USCGA is just now starting to interview its selected candidates. Recall: position was listed 10/3/2023; priority review deadline was 11/13/23.
ReplyDeleteVAP season will soon be upon us! If you are interested in a PUI, remember to check the rankings: typically it is easier to descend the rank-ordered list than to ascend the list, so take the job at the best institution you can. Yes, you will be busy, although that is true for all first-year faculty. You need to carefully protect your time. Focus on improving those areas where you want your TT application to shine (typically teaching and research). Avoid committee assignments and do not get stuck with weak undergraduate research students. Also, avoid taking a VAP thinking you'll have an advantage as an inside candidate for a forthcoming TT position. Remember, as a VAP you are doing the school a favor - the department and the provost need you to fill a vacancy. This can be viewed as a mutually beneficial arrangement, after you get your TT job because you had VAP experience.
ReplyDeleteI would agree with this "take the job at the best institution you can" if you were accepting a tenure-track position at a PUI. In my experience, this isn't as important for VAP positions. What may be important is that if you are interested in pursuing a TT position, then the opportunity to conduct research with students in a VAP position would be very beneficial.
DeleteSo a place where I did an onsite interview finished their last onsites for that position ~December 14 (give or take a few days). If I haven't heard anything about an offer should I assume it's gone to someone else, or is there a chance the committee is still deliberating/working with the Dean?
ReplyDeleteIt seems somewhat unlikely that it would take quite that long for the department to get back to their first choice candidate. It is possible that their first choice candidate could still be negotiating with the dean and/or making a final decision.
DeleteIf there is a time sensitive reason why you'd need to know about their decision (for instance you have another offer on the table with a deadline), it may be worth reaching out to them. If you are their back up choice it may help speed things along.
Rutgers newark anyone??
ReplyDeleteHas anyone heard from UC Riverside in their analytical/molecular imaging search? I don't see anything on the search tracker yet.
ReplyDeleteI'm new here, and would like to throw out this poll/question: How many who have applied for a position heard nothing (after confirmation of receipt of application)? How many who have applied for a position heard "thanks, but no thanks"? How many who applied, interviewed (by any means), then heard "thanks, but no thanks"? After perusing the blog, it seems the courtesy rejection notification is dead. Thoughts?
ReplyDeleteThis was addressed in March, 2019 (https://chemjobber.blogspot.com/2019/03/whither-rejection-letters.html) although perhaps it is time to take the measure of the situation again. (I apologize if it has been addressed in the past 5 years. If you find that link, please post it as a comment!)
DeleteLast year, I received most of my rejections late spring/early summer presumably after people accepted offers. I was once told that a rejection doesn't mean you're done but rather that they're done. You could be out from the start and not know for a while.
DeleteI applied to quite a few places and got one "thanks but no thanks" email after application, 3 invites for phone interviews, and a lot of radio silence from everywhere else. One of my phone interviews didn't even tell me when I was no longer in contention, and I had to reach out to them and ask. I can understand no rejection notification on an application, but I thought it was a bit lousy to not tell me after a phone interview without me asking.
DeleteI have multiple places that didn’t inform me anything after Zoom interviews (even though they promised that they would let me know in a few days during the Zoom). They just decided to notify the candidates they wanted (probably from the very beginning) without telling the rest.
DeleteI went to an onsite interview, one of three last year. Never got an official rejection, I reached out after a month, and apparently they were negotiating with another candidate. At the end, I never got an email or a phone call of rejection.
DeleteTwo cycles ago, I never heard back from twelve places (including one after an on site and a handful after zooms), cancelled (or accepted) on fourteen, and was officially rejected (at various stages) by twenty three places. The only one I was annoyed about never hearing anything was from the place I had an on site for, most other instances, the lack of a response tells you everything you need to know (and is going to be as common in other job sectors).
DeleteI believe we don't send out rejections for anyone until after someone has signed on, but afaik we send rejections to everyone who applied at that stage.
I think if you don't make the initial cut you should be told that. There's no chance they will go back to you if you don't make it to the Zoom stage. But it gets complicated at the Zoom/phone/on-site interview phases, because they at least have some interest in you and saying no too early could backfire if their top option(s) fall through.
DeleteI would like to ask the group if there is a desire for a "Good Conduct Pledge" from hiring institutions. Presumably, we could add (I dunno) a gold star or something to a listing where a search committee chair pledged (in writing) to do specific things. So that's the carrot.
DeleteWe could try a stick approach: i.e. the group says that this institution basically provides no response, and they get a black mark. The problem is that you're having to prove a negative, i.e. all applicants DIDN'T get any follow up.
It's a hard problem, and part of this is clearly desire on the part of search committees 1) not to do extra work and 2) not to incur rare-but-possible legal problems.
Agree on the good conduct report. I think most universities have automated their processes; if one person doesn't get a reply, it's almost assured that no one did.
DeleteTracking failed searches may also be of interest. Repeated failures over multiple cycles indicates that a position is a potential time-waster and that the department has issues. This would be good to know...and easy to document.
Is it common for a search committee to invite candidates for phone or in-person interviews before the priority deadline? I have seen this happen a few times this cycle.
DeleteFollowing up on Anonymous January 31, 2024 at 11:23 AM: "Repeated failures over multiple cycles indicates that a position is a potential time-waster and that the department has issues."
DeleteAgreed 100%. To pile on, it could be that the institution has issues.
@4:25 It depends on the wording of the post. It's possible for apps that say they will be considered up to a certain date or until filled, but I think most places wait for their priority date to look at anyone.
DeleteI guess all those "shortlisted" for the Oregon Theor/Comput position received a rejeciton today? Curious who will be/has been hired. LOL
ReplyDeleteAfter all the drama in previous open threads about a different assistant prof moving over I'm very curious to see how it shakes out.
DeleteThe AP is seeking the position, though it is unclear whether an on-site has been sent.
DeleteAll eyes on Oregon.
DeleteHas anybody heard from Colorado state after their on-site visits?
ReplyDeleteAnyone have any news about Indiana University Biochem?
ReplyDeleteI just got this email about the University of Tennessee Knoxville open search.
ReplyDelete"Hello, Candidates:
Thank you for your interest in our program. We will begin contacting finalists in the next few months.
Best regards,
Chemistry"
The tracker said zoom interviews were back in December. It is an odd way to word a rejection if it is a rejection. What do you think it means?
Got the same email! I am also curious if anyone has insight. "Next few months" is a long time frame...
DeleteI would hate to read a journal article written by the same faculty members sending these emails! Ditto for the faculty handbook from an HR department that writes like this. Any SATC fans out there? "Dear Single, ..." Harumph!
DeleteAlso, if it is "next few months", can I update my CV? I've been doing things since their mid-fall due date...
DeleteYes, update your updated CV! Active career management is the key here. Send an updated CV with a cover-email stating what has been updated. This may feel awkward, but it is completely pro forma. Such action shows (a) that you've been doing things since the application due date, and (b) that you're still interested in the position. This information is helpful to the search chair/committee (saving them the awkward "are you still interested" email) and it keeps you in "active engagement" mode. Their response may be welcoming or it may be crickets, but I would be shocked if you ever got a "stop sending updates" email.
DeleteTypo, corrected: Yes, *send* your updated CV!
ReplyDeleteHas anyone heard from University of Florida?
ReplyDeleteI believe offers have been made to top candidates
DeleteWhich position? Aren't they running like 70 searches?
ReplyDeleteQuestion for anyone who also applied for the Wake Forest Biochemistry position. I got a rejection email today, but it said it was for an Assistant *TEACHING* Professor position, which is definitely not what it was advertised as imo...did anyone else think it was a teaching prof position? Did I just misread the ad?
ReplyDeleteGot the same rejection this morning. I am sure neither of us misread the ad. It is more likely the department is experiencing some organizational challenges.
DeleteI got the same rejection lol and only applied for the biochem position. Btw, did anyone actually got invited for the biochem search interview ? Just curious because I am suspicious they cancelled the search.
Delete@5:55 PM Not interviewed or heard anyone interviewed.
DeleteThey made the exact same mistake in the last cycle. Still better than dead silence.
DeleteI heard second hand about a biochem interview that happened there in mid Jan.
DeleteAnyone heard anything about the Davidson College visiting job or lecturer job?
ReplyDeleteWhen I interviewed for a visiting position there a few years ago that was posted in February, they got back to me in late March and scheduled an interview for early April.
DeleteThanks. Heard about a zoom interview this week. Will try to update here. They have both a lecturer post and a VAP post open there at Davidson.
DeleteAnyone heard more about this Davidson College VAP or lecturer job app and interview process?
DeleteHas anyone heard from Cal Poly SLO following phone interviews? Mine was 3 weeks ago, I followed up after 2 weeks to see if there was any update and just was told "your file is still under active consideration."
ReplyDelete"Still under consideration" might indicate they have put you on the waiting list.
DeleteAfter following up with the SC chair after the on campus interview, this is what I got, “The search committee has submitted recommendations to the Dean, and dean will take further actions”. Is it promising or not.
ReplyDeleteI feel no. Based on my experiences, they will make it very clear if they are selecting you as 1st choice. If you are second, they will still try to keep you on hook by saying something positive.
DeleteI think offer was extended.
DeleteDoes anyone hear from Georgia Southern? They did campus interview earlier this month.
ReplyDeleteDeclined 2 offers so far due to unsatisfactory salary range (1 on campus interview as well after asking salary range before). All are state universities (good PUIs and R2s). I have a job already which gives me some flexibility. It is so bad to see the salary offered as 55k with a 1k summer salary. Which world are they in? I don’t know what motivates people to join these schools. All of them have good instrumental facilities though and one of them even have a small PhD program.
ReplyDeleteI was recently talking with a prof at a large PUI who said the issue they're running into is that a reasonable/expected salary for new hires is similar to, or higher than, some of the associate/full profs. That's the source of pushback, at least at that particular institution. Sounds like everyone should be making more than they do.
DeleteIf they're public institutions, salary information should be available somewhere online. If you were never going to take a position at that salary point, it would probably be worth saving yourself and the department the time and look it up ahead of time or ask about it early on in the process.
DeleteSalary is also going to vary to some extent with the cost of living in the area. $55000 will go a long way in large regions of the rural midwest or south, but nowhere in more expensive regions of the country. If it isn't enough for your personal circumstances, you're not being forced to apply for or accept these jobs.
I think everyone holds onto hope that they could negotiate up but really what you find online is more or less what you're going to get, at least at most PUIs.
DeleteExactly. If I checked it before, it could save a lot of time.
DeleteOr they could just put the salary in the job posting...
DeleteOne of the schools I talked to said they wouldn't allow salary negotiations. Something about them wanting to have equality across searches, so Asst Prof salaries were fixed unless you had a competing offer.
DeleteThe motivation for people is to stay in academia, job stability, and have independence I guess. Not validating the salary range here, but even if you negotiate, it is not going to up more than 5K.
DeleteAbsolutely. However it is hard to see when an assistant professor is offered a salary of 55k which prompt that person looking for additional income rather than just routine work on teaching/research
DeleteStill matters where the position is located. 55k in NYC and 55k in central Kansas are not the same and positions in those locations shouldn't be offering the same salaries for similar jobs.
DeleteThe specific one (which was offering 55K) I am referring close to a major city in south where a standard 1500sq ft house price is above 400k. When I told them how much house cost I could afford with this salary, they mentioned 200k range you should look for!!! Anyway, I declined the offer. They also want the new faculty to establish an external funded undergraduate research program with a teaching load of 4/4.
Delete@commnter 11.21 AM. Another offer did not work for me for a school I received an offer. They mentioned what they offered is the cap and they cannot even negotiate 5k more.
Delete"They also want the new faculty to establish an external funded undergraduate research program with a teaching load of 4/4." Unless this is the USNA or USCGA, run - don't walk - away from that level of minimum wage.
Delete55k is the low end for elementary school teachers in the state where I live, and they're underpaid.
DeleteThis is a great resource for checking if salaries are around the average at each rank for each institution. https://www.aaup.org/our-work/research/FCS
DeleteThe thing is that a 55k staring salary at 2014 is not similar to a 55k starting salary in 2024. Everything is super expensive including the housing after the pandemic. If you want to live forever in an apartment and work in Starbucks after hours, then you can take this job. I have no complaints to those who doesn’t want to come to academia.
ReplyDelete"The thing is that a 55k staring salary at 2014 is not similar to a 55k starting salary in 2024."-----agreed 100%
DeleteI'm second choice at a school and their first choice is expected to decide between a few offers this week. Hoping they got a better offer than this school or I get to go back on the market!!
ReplyDeletePerhaps the Academe salary survey should be required reading in the first graduate course or career seminar. This is the life we signed on for, and the data was out there the entire time. Some days, I feel like a fool for my choices. (Spring break is not five of those days. None of the days off contract is one of those days either.)
ReplyDeleteAnyone hear anything about the tenure-track post open at Oglethorpe University in Atlanta?
ReplyDeleteMy faculty job search is over. Applied over 3 cycles. Was 2nd in line at one school during my first cycle but no offer in the end. Got an offer my second cycle but it did not work out due to a two-body problem. Took a year off to be a stay at home parent trying to figure things out... I ended up getting an off-cycle interview that I was very excited about and during the interview I got some pretty encouraging feedback that made me optimistic about an offer. When I sent an email to the department chair asking for an update, I never even got a response. After all that, I feel like I deserved better than to be ghosted. If anyone on here becomes a professor, I hope you will handle your rejected candidates with respect. This school was my last chance and I feel so disappointed.
ReplyDeleteI am so sorry, I can sympathize with what you are going through. I also wish universities have a better support system for accommodating the two-body problem.
DeleteSo sorry to hear that. One question: Did you modify your proposals after the first cycle of application?
DeleteI totally agree that universities and colleges could do better, the two-body problem is a perennial issue for many universities but unfortunately finding a second position within the same institution is a challenge for many reasons. Often it is not financially possible to create a position and there has to be a need within the broader university hiring plan for the department to justify an additional hire (plus start-up and salary/fringe. Finding a position for the second person, either in another department on campus (or at another institution in the area), can be even harder as it is often viewed as either foisting an individual off where there may not be a good fit/need or it may be held against that department in when positions in that department are sought in subsequent hiring cycles.
DeleteI am having the same issue in my current position which prompted me to look for another position. I hope universities can prioritise this especially how hard it is to live in a place now a days with just one salary.
ReplyDeleteI am in a similar position (trying to relocate for two-body reasons) and have now spent six consecutive cycles on the market. Here's to lucky number seven next year...
DeleteIt's hard to see how academia can work as the sole source of income. I got a job with an above average salary in a moderate-COL city and it would be fine for a couple but definitely not enough for a family.
DeleteThe assumption that your employer should also be willing to hire your spouse simply because they want to hire you has always struck me as odd and isn't something you'd expect of any other type of employer. There are other trade offs you are able to make if academia isn't working for you in these ways.
DeleteThis situation is likely referring to spouses who have PhDs in specialized fields and training to work specifically in academic settings. Both my spouse and I have PhD in different fields, we could only find five institutions that had openings in both our fields in the past cycle. For those who have spouses who work outside of academia, they don't face this dilemma. In the end, trade offs are being made, as you see a poster above is leaving academia.
DeletePeople that aren't academics and/or don't have PhDs also need to make employment tradeoffs to move with their partners. The overwhelming majority of those people just aren't elitist enough to feel the need to give it a special fancy name. People with PhDs aren't special.
DeleteThe suggestion throughout most of this thread had been that universities should be doing more to help people who are dealing with a "two-body problem" and I can't really disagree more strongly. People shouldn't be given preferential treatment in hiring over single people or folks with partners outside of academia just because they're married to someone at the university...
This subthread has reached the point of diminishing returns. Further discussions along this line will be deleted. There are plenty of other places on the internet to discuss academia.
DeletePretty remarkable how absolutely destroyed and useless the tracker spreadsheet has been rendered lol, great work!
ReplyDeleteAny word on College of Wooster or Oglethorpe University job openings (VAP)?
ReplyDeleteU de Montreal positions seem to have evaporated. Any word? They're not on the tracker...
ReplyDelete