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So if I already signed a contract to start this fall, there is no way that my position is in jeopardy due to the current economic climate, right??
ReplyDeleteI also signed last week. I hope everything is OK. I am still waiting for their response for the spousal hire though...
DeleteI signed a contract mid March at an R1. Just emailed the Chair of the department when I saw that the University issued a hiring freeze. I was told it only affects searches currently underway. Offers already made are not influenced by this. Hopefully this is the same for you!
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/UBCChem/status/1250463395972698113
ReplyDeleteThe top departments were competing for the same pool of candidates, now that many of those candidates have been placed, is there any hope for a second round of interviews?
ReplyDeleteHighly doubtful even under normal circumstances, but with Covid no way...
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ReplyDeleteUpdate from a large R1 university is that the offers that were extended in this round are still safe, but future hiring will be impacted.
ReplyDeleteIs future hiring referring to the opening next year, or if the current offer is declined by the first candidate?
DeleteFor those with offer rescinded, or hiring freezes right after the onsite this cycle, do you think there will be any opening this fall? Some universities have already announced hiring freeze until June 2021 (e.g. Yale, Brown)
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/MeiselChemBio/status/1251150511983607810
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ReplyDeleteTwo new faculties at Brandeis:
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https://www.brandeis.edu/chemistry/faculty/xu-hao.html
https://as.nyu.edu/chemistry/news/spring-2020/nyu-chemistry-welcomes-new-faculty--avalos-and-parsaram.html
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ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/Abbasov_Cornell/status/1247395574963261451
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ReplyDeleteSo what is up with adverts reappearing on e.g. Linkedin? Just seen the Stanford and Rutgers posts again.
ReplyDeleteMaybe an automatic thing? I know for sure that Rutgers has a hiring freeze, I am on a shortlist for a different (engineering) search.
DeleteLinkedIn sucks for ads. They automatically reappear even if the search is over or expired. Same for non academic job ads there too.
DeleteStanford Chemistry has definitely announced its hires on Twitter. I guess they forgot to close the ad on LinkedIn?
DeleteCUNY has placed their search on hold.
ReplyDeleteThere does not seem to be any list of chemistry hires for 2020, and as such I have personally volunteered to curate our newest batch of chemistry PI's (round of applause, you have won the battle royale! Please go my post here https://old.reddit.com/r/chemistry/comments/gcddxp/chemistry_bumper_cars_2020/
ReplyDeletePlease feel free to post in the comments of any PI's that I have missed through my scouring of twitter and university web pages, and I will add them. If you are not a new PI but are at a current institution and know of a new PI, your contribution is also encouraged. Each comment must contain a source (in order of decreasing preference: dept website, personal webpage, personal twitter). If you are a new PI and your source is personal communication, please message me and I will add you, given sufficient evidence.
Hmmmm it seems like my post hasn't shown up yet...give it a bit...
Deletehttps://www.reddit.com/r/chemistry/comments/gcdp7f/chemistry_bumper_cars_2020/ OP here, updated link
DeleteEmory University has a hiring freeze until Aug 2021
ReplyDeleteWow, that's very long. I heard University of Houston has a hiring freeze until end of Aug, 2020. Don't know whether UH will resume hiring or not after that.
DeleteI'm wondering if anyone is interested in having a list of universities that honor an oral offer during a hiring freeze and a list of universities that don't. We may create two anonymous threads, so future applicants can benefit.
ReplyDeleteare there enough places that revoked offers to justify that? and is their action today reflective of historical practices? I honestly don't know.
DeleteIf the oral offer were accepted, there would be a legal binding and rescinding the offer without a proper reason is illegal. Unless an applicant pushes to hard in negotiation giving the university a good reason to withdraw, the university must honor that.
DeleteSure, and the university *might* be liable for whatever actual damages the applicant incurred, which are probably none. Feeling betrayed is not something the courts will pay you for, no matter how shitty it is.
DeleteCompanies do this stuff to people all the time. I've heard horror stories of people quitting their jobs and moving, then having an offer pulled at the last minute, either because the company suddenly decided to do a round of layoffs or because something came up in a background check. I also personally know a few individuals who were laid off a month or so after relocating for a job.
DeleteAn ethical company (or university in this case) would pay severance if a last-minute offer revocation caused you to quit your last job, relocate, disrupt your spouse's career, etc.
Reply to May 9, 2020 at 3:51 PM, I don't know whether it's illegal or not, since there is no officially signed offer. I actually have heard of several universities didn't honor an oral offer to a TT position. My personal experience is that, after accepting the oral offer, the university will infinitely postpone issuing a real offer because of a hiring freeze. The university will also shut down the communication tunnels, so I have no idea what the future plan is regarding the position. The chair doesn't want to talk about it, nor did the authority have any official notice. The university doesn't want to make a commitment of the hiring, say after the hiring freeze. If you have to move on after hanging there for a few months, no matter why, it becomes your fault.
Delete@5:47PM You should communicate through emails not phone calls for that reason. Oral offer is same as the written offer in legal perspective but the problem is to prove. TT positions are not at-will and there are contract. You have to consult a lawyer and they will be happy to fight on behalf of you because it is a clear breach of contract, fraud misrepresentation and promissionary estoffel etc etc. Difficulty in getting another TT job is different story though.
DeleteIf they became silent, e-Discovery would be a very powerful tool. It will dig out all their electronic records and they will be scared out of exposing their unlawful behaviours in the course.
Delete10:44AM That's not *none*. TT position is usually not an at-will appointment and if they didn't say contingent upon funding situation in the job description, you can sue them and get the amount that your negotiated salary and resources if you don't care about your future employment in academia.
ReplyDeleteKeene State position was filled.
ReplyDelete2:05 pm, I'm the 5:47 pm. Yes, the chair and I communicated by emails, and there is no double that the department wanted me in the beginning. Then, the covid-19 and an on-going hiring freeze make things complicated, and I can sense that the university changed mind. I agree that a layer may help specifically with hiring, but the action would damage the candidate's academic career in long run. Just feel like it's unfair. Well, this is life.
ReplyDelete@2:19PM It depends on the timing when they no longer respond. When they give you some response and you accept, it is a contract. If you ask back about something more, then no contract. Keep in mind that if you ask something, it means it is no longer a legal binding until they give something back and you accept. However, they just became silent intentionally after you had accepted, then it is illegal.
Delete8:59 pm In the case that an agreement was reached and a candidate was waiting for the official final offer, would it still be illegal that the university suspended the hiring infinitely because of an on-going hiring freeze?
DeleteIf there's an date in the agreement, it sure is.
DeleteHi, there. This year I experienced a public R1 university that is ridiculously slow in reimbursing the cost of an on-campus tenure-track interview. Plus, the reimbursed amount was ~5% less than my original cost. Would that be normal or a sign of horrible administration? The reimbursement came 5 months later after I bugged them about 5 times, including 3 times calling the administrator but without a reply.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, with the amount of information you gave, there is no way for anyone to say yes or no. I work for a large public R1 university and we have very specific reimbursement rules (no alcohol reimbursement, specific amounts for food (not a per diem), airfare has to be lowest, etc. So, we don't know if you didn't follow those rules which may account for 5% less. Your post is not in and of itself the sign of a horrible administration. The 5 months is a bit long, but I usually wait for quite some time to get reimbursed for travel.
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